On my earlier post, ID and Creationism, the Missing Link?, I make the case that ID science is quite distinct from creationism. Of course, the Darwinists can’t accept that because that would mean that they couldn’t simply outlaw ID science in schools by hiding behind the First Amendment. So, of course, it was time to play Guilt by Association.
So, how do we play this, you might ask? Here’s example one:
On a more serious level, my experience shows that almost all arguments advanced by the IDers have been borrowed from creationists.
Ah yes, all us ID science proponents must get our arguments from creationists, like IC and CSI, right? Oh, but it goes on from there:
To be sure, IDers have advanced a few arguments of their own, but even they have creationist roots. For instance, Behe’s irreducible complexity is a dressed-up version of Paley’s watchmaker. Dembski’s UPB is just an attempt to put this on a mathematical footing.
Yes, how dare us try to make a mathematical argument instead of using Biblical chapter and verse. I mean, we just have to be creationists, so why aren’t we following the rules and reciting Genesis? Maybe it is for the reasons I laid out in my previous post, that ID science starts with scientific observations and follows the evidence where it leads.
Here’s some more examples:
And yes, I know that there are Jewish, Muslim, atheist, and even pleasurian proponents of ID. But I am also aware that they represent a tiny minority of the movement. ID is a predominantly Christian thing.
You and [I] can play this game. For every name of a non-Christian ID supporter I’ll give you three of Christian ones. How’s that for a proof?
So, if I can present three atheists that accept evolution to any Christian you bring forward, does that prove evolution is atheistic? And, therein lies the problem with this type of logical fallacy. There is, of course, another fallacy in there, where ID is ridiculed by being linked to the “Pleasurians.” This holds no sway with me, however. I don’t care what ideas or beliefs one holds, it makes no difference to the science of ID. I think Raelians are IDists too, but it makes no difference, it doesn’t make ID false or evolution true.
And, so what if the commenter can find three Christians to every non-Christian that supports ID. I’d be surprised if he couldn’t. This country is make up of Christians to the tune of 80% of the population. For every proponent of anything in science that is non-Christian, one should be able to dig up 4 Christian proponents just due to the percentage of the population that is Christian. That ID science is open to those other belief systems shows that it is not a fundamentalist Christian ploy, else no atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Jews, etc. would embrace it.